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scotts
04-08-2003, 04:38 PM
Had an interesting problem today. My NX70 hard reset. I was using my 256 MSPro (formatted as described before) as the main card. I had the update installed, Flash Enable and Backupman on the card. Normally, after a hard reset with a regular MS, I could just browse the MS, run Flash Enable to get back my flash memory, then browse the MS for Backupman and in a couple of minutes I was back in business. But this time.......................
I could not access the MS Pro (therefore can't run Flash Enable or Backupman) at all because my NX did not have the update installed, since it is lost from RAM after a hard reset. I suppose I could clear out some flash memory and put it in there. Any others exeprienced similar problems or have any others thought about this and come up with a solution.
Thanks
Alistar
04-08-2003, 04:44 PM
Thats a goos point. You couldn't keep backups on the pro because it would not be recognized when hard reset, even when sony releases the patch. Obviously the patch would disappear on a hard reset.
Darn, I had not thought of that.
I might just keep my regular 128 and use cf
scotts
04-08-2003, 04:47 PM
same here...........also even though it is a hassle, I thought about keeping a regular 128 ms backed up with the essesntials to get my started. I could keep the patch on it and re-install from a PC.
Alistar
04-08-2003, 04:52 PM
I suppose thats as much a hassle as keeping the cf driver on a 128 and then restoring from that.
Kirin
04-08-2003, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by Alistar
Thats a goos point. You couldn't keep backups on the pro because it would not be recognized when hard reset, even when sony releases the patch. Obviously the patch would disappear on a hard reset.
Darn, I had not thought of that.
I might just keep my regular 128 and use cf
It is possible that this patch might actually be released as a ROM flash.
Maybe that's why it's taking them so long to get it out :D
T1000X
04-08-2003, 05:22 PM
The update will be available in RAM on the next NX model...
stronggeek
04-08-2003, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by scotts
Had an interesting problem today. My NX70 hard reset. I was using my 256 MSPro (formatted as described before) as the main card. I had the update installed, Flash Enable and Backupman on the card. Normally, after a hard reset with a regular MS, I could just browse the MS, run Flash Enable to get back my flash memory, then browse the MS for Backupman and in a couple of minutes I was back in business. But this time.......................
I could not access the MS Pro (therefore can't run Flash Enable or Backupman) at all because my NX did not have the update installed, since it is lost from RAM after a hard reset. I suppose I could clear out some flash memory and put it in there. Any others exeprienced similar problems or have any others thought about this and come up with a solution.
Thanks
Happened to me twice already. I keep an extra back on a 128 like someone suggested. It is a pain because without your stick, unless your at home near your pc you don't have access to the update.. Normally my notebook is nearby, but still.... Otherwise if you cleared some flash memory it still wouldn't show without fash enable or jack flash from the mspr. that wouldn't work without the update...right?
Edited for grammar and spelling :)
contempt
04-08-2003, 05:45 PM
Thanks for the advice. I'm about to make a backupman backup on my older 128meg ms. Sorry you had to find out the hard way, but we all appreciate it.
infty
04-08-2003, 05:46 PM
I appreciate this post. I just purchased a 512mb mspro for $236 and I recieve it tomorrow. There's is room in my carring case for an ms, so I"ll back up the basics on my 128mb ms and use the 512 for everyday use.
I'm looking forward to this...I hope I don't later hope I would have gotten the 1gb. :D
stronggeek
04-08-2003, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by Alistar
I suppose thats as much a hassle as keeping the cf driver on a 128 and then restoring from that.
Actually since you brought it up, this would be my first alternative!
scotts
04-08-2003, 07:05 PM
tried to backup the card using the backupbuddy feature.......doesn't look like it worked. Gues I will have to use MS Import and copy the MS Pro files over to my hard drive, then use same method to put on a regular MS
n2ifp
04-08-2003, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by scotts
Had an interesting problem today. My NX70 hard reset. I was using my 256 MSPro (formatted as described before) as the main card. I had the update installed, Flash Enable and Backupman on the card. Normally, after a hard reset with a regular MS, I could just browse the MS, run Flash Enable to get back my flash memory, then browse the MS for Backupman and in a couple of minutes I was back in business. But this time.......................
I could not access the MS Pro (therefore can't run Flash Enable or Backupman) at all because my NX did not have the update installed, since it is lost from RAM after a hard reset. I suppose I could clear out some flash memory and put it in there. Any others exeprienced similar problems or have any others thought about this and come up with a solution.
Thanks
I always keep a small MS 32mb stick in my carrying case and I have a several backup copies of my 128mb sticks on my hard drive. I also keep copies of the update patch and WiFi drivers. Even with the MS Pro, you still may have to load the driver back on after a hard reset. I wouldn't count on Sony making a permanent driver in the Clie OS itself.
BTW, crashes can trash memory sticks too, I know that from experience.
The 32mb stick originally came with one of my cameras.
MS Backup has been the only reliable bachup app for me.
D@mn it! What a pain in the @ss! I didn't think about this before I got mine.
So even the new CF driver cannot handle having your backups either I suppose.
stronggeek
04-24-2003, 08:33 PM
Tixx, do you mean backing up to the cf. If so, thats exactly what I do. I actually have backups with backupman on both the ms pro and the cf.
Originally posted by stronggeek
Tixx, do you mean backing up to the cf. If so, thats exactly what I do. I actually have backups with backupman on both the ms pro and the cf.
After a hardreset though neither the CF or the Pro can be used to restore the device as neither would be recognized with their RAM files gone, no?
stronggeek
04-24-2003, 08:35 PM
Yes, you're correct.
Mybe if either the CF or the Pro files were put in ROM with JackFlash, though I do know that one cannot see those files after a hardreset, but wonder if they could be used by the CF or the Pro for a restore. Any info would be greatly appreciated:)
stronggeek
04-24-2003, 08:36 PM
That's why I carry a spare stick with both patches.
Originally posted by stronggeek
That's why I carry a spare stick with both patches.
Well that sucks.
stronggeek
04-24-2003, 08:39 PM
It does suck because you're right. You would need flash- enable or jackflash itself in ram to see the updates stored in flash by jackflash after the hard reset.
Originally posted by stronggeek
It does suck because you're right. You would need flash- enable or jackflash itself in ram to see the updates stored in flash by jackflash after the hard reset.
I don't like being right sometimes. Thanks for the info.
Wish there was a way around this without having to carry extra items. Maybe I should carry a spare clie to boot.;)
stronggeek
04-24-2003, 09:05 PM
Me too. I found out the hard way. After a hard reset I couldn't see the ms to restore and then it dawned on me that the nx update was gone and that I pretty much had a 260.00 useless little stick in my nx for about 3 hrs. And so now I carry the little blue stick around to save the little white sticks butt if hell decides break loose in my little clie world. Actually, I just keep one 8 in the car and a 128 in my note book case, so it's not to big a problem. Fortunately I don't have as many hard resets anymore. I guess apps are becoming more stable now. Even through beta testing the cf driver, I never once had a hard reset. Still it would be nice if the jf people updated jackflash so that the apps/drivers placed in flash were available immediately after a hard reset. Guess we can't have evrything... yet. :)
Originally posted by Tixx
Wish there was a way around this without having to carry extra items. Maybe I should carry a spare clie to boot.;)
Originally posted by stronggeek
Me too. I found out the hard way. After a hard reset I couldn't see the ms to restore and then it dawned on me that the nx update was gone and that I pretty much had a 260.00 useless little stick in my nx for about 3 hrs. And so now I carry the little blue stick around to save the little white sticks butt if hell decides break loose in my little clie world. Actually, I just keep one 8 in the car and a 128 in my note book case, so it's not to big a problem. Fortunately I don't have as many hard resets anymore. I guess apps are becoming more stable now. Even through beta testing the cf driver, I never once had a hard reset. Still it would be nice if the jf people updated jackflash so that the apps/drivers placed in flash were available immediately after a hard reset. Guess we can't have evrything... yet. :)
Just found a half @ss solution, but at least to carry an extra stick on my innopocket hard case http://www.outletpc.com/c0707.html I'm going to glue this holder onto the back:)http://store3.yimg.com/I/outletpc_1736_1033960
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stronggeek
04-24-2003, 09:15 PM
Cool, for depending on where I'm at and what I'm doing I use my innopocket also. Great ideal! I'm checking out the site for other stuff now.
Originally posted by Tixx
Just found a half @ss solution, but at least to carry an extra stick on my innopocket hard case http://www.outletpc.com/c0707.html I'm going to glue this holder onto the back:)
n2ifp
04-24-2003, 10:27 PM
I planned ahead and have a case that holds several sticks :)!
I could call it my Pro Starter Stick :D!
stronggeek
04-24-2003, 10:44 PM
Man. these guys are posting pics pretty fast now a days!
Originally posted by stronggeek
Man. these guys are posting pics pretty fast now a days!
Nope, my pic is linked from a website.
stronggeek
04-24-2003, 11:11 PM
So can we link from our private web sites also? And if so, why even have a mod appove any pics posted unless otherwise challeged or reported after being displayed?
Originally posted by stronggeek
So can we link from our private web sites also? And if so, why even have a mod appove any pics posted unless otherwise challeged or reported after being displayed?
Yep. I guess it is only for pics not hosted on websites. Just quote my post with the picture in it and you can see where the picture is coming from. All you do is past the link into the IMG option above the box were you put the text of your post and Bam! it is there. I know it doesn't make sense to me at the moment either. It might be a server size issue and that they have to store uploaded pics or something like that.
stronggeek
04-24-2003, 11:19 PM
Yeah, I guess you'd be right about the server size and all. Thanks for explaining.
Originally posted by Tixx
Yep. I guess it is only for pics not hosted on websites. Just quote my post with the picture in it and you can see where the picture is coming from. All you do is past the link into the IMG option above the box were you put the text of your post and Bam! it is there. I know it doesn't make sense to me at the moment either. It might be a server size issue and that they have to store uploaded pics or something like that.
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