View Full Version : is there any way to speed up the lag opening blazer?
Jimmie Geddes
11-11-2005, 01:14 AM
is there any way to speed up the lag opening blazer? This is the only gripe I have with the TX. Does anyone know a way around this?
Cyker
11-11-2005, 02:04 AM
Could this have anything to do with the cache?
Try reducing the size of it...
Jimmie Geddes
11-11-2005, 02:15 AM
thanks I'll try that. Rescolock does not even show the web app in there. I have it set to clear cache on exit. It's kinda like the lifedrive, once the app is opened once it opens quicker the next time. Wish there was some way we could get this locked using an app like rlock, or sharkcache.
snark
11-11-2005, 04:55 AM
thanks I'll try that. Rescolock does not even show the web app in there. RescoLock shows applications in RAM. Blazer is in ROM.
pruss
11-11-2005, 11:11 AM
I don't have any such lag on my TX... Opens instantly.
msweet
11-11-2005, 12:20 PM
I have a 10-12 second lag too.
Any ideas?
Jimmie Geddes
11-11-2005, 01:25 PM
There is definitely a lag when first opening blazer on the TX. I've read it on many forums. It seems though once you open it there is a lag, then if you go to other applications and go back to blazer it opens immediately. I'm thinking that it gets locked into memory the same way the lifedrive does it, or applications like sharkcache and rlock.
I don't have any such lag on my TX... Opens instantly.
Yes. Same here, Blazer opens instantly. There must be something that's causing the lag.
Jimmie, do you still have the E2InternalDrive installed? It may have affected the cache size available for Blazer. Just a thought...
Tam Hanna
11-12-2005, 03:29 AM
One second of lag on my TE2 at the first time, afterwards, half or less
Cyker
11-12-2005, 05:56 AM
JG - I didn't mean the DBcache, I meant Blazer's caches ;)
Juggle4Evr
11-12-2005, 06:02 AM
One second of lag on my TE2 at the first time, afterwards, half or less
I have the long lag only sometimes when starting Blazer, haven't figured out yet when it occurs.
Jimmie Geddes
11-12-2005, 09:53 AM
I have blazers cache set to clear on exit.
pruss
11-12-2005, 03:09 PM
No, it never takes more than half a second on my TX. I wonder if some of us have a newer ROM version?
Zano2004
11-12-2005, 04:40 PM
Sometimes Blazer pops-up instantly, sometime it doesn't. As best as I recall, when I first bought the TX, Blazer was always instant, which leads me to believe it's something(s) I've added.
Jimmie Geddes
11-12-2005, 05:16 PM
snark started a "TX rom version thread" post your rom version there.
snark
11-12-2005, 05:19 PM
snark started a "TX rom version thread" post your rom version there. Especially alex... http://www.1src.com/forums/images/smilie/images/smilies/wink.gif
Jimmie Geddes
11-12-2005, 07:11 PM
Yeah, especially Alex
Jimmie Geddes
11-12-2005, 07:12 PM
I am hard resetting my TX to see if there is a lag w/out any 3rd part apps. Somehow I don't think there are going to be different ROMs.
Jimmie Geddes
11-12-2005, 07:48 PM
The hard reset took the lag away, it obviously comes from a 3rd party app.
Most probably this is caused by the E2InternalDrive. Try to delete it and use Blazer again.
btaryag
11-13-2005, 12:24 AM
After hours of testing and research, I have discovered the secret of the blazer lag. But if I tell you I'll have to kill you. Just kidding.
Until recently the memory in Palm devices was ram memory. This kind of memory needed power, so A - it used up the battery. B - the main problem - if the batteries dried up so did the memory. So Palm switched to flash memory. (for the E2, T5, TX, LD, and maybe others). But flash memory is slower than ram, and pda's have to be quick. So Palm put ram and flash into the device. All programs and information is stored in flash, but when you want to use a program, it is copied to ram to be accessed quickly. The amount of ram allocated for this use is 4 mb, and is called dbCache. When the dbCache is full and you want to launch a program, the Palm removes programs that were in ram for a while and were not recently used. This frees up room for the program you want to open. The Palm does not clear out the dbCache entirely, just enough to run the program you are opening.
On the TX - and it seems only the TX - when you open the blazer, the Palm clears out almost the entire dbCache, even though blazer does not need all the room. (I woull guess that this is to enable blazer to open very large web pages, as this was a problem on previous Palms). This causes the lag. Some users commented here that they experience the lag, others said they didn't. Some said they only get it sometimes. The reason is as follows. If you only use a few small programs, there is still enough room in the dbCache for the space blazer wants. Users who experienced no lag probably only use a few small programs. Other users will only experience the lag sometimes. This depends on how many programs were uses, and consequentially are in the dbCache, since last time they opened the blazer. Try it out - open blazer and then open two small programs and go back to blazer, there will be no lag. But if you open a bunch of big programs there will be a lag.
This, of course, is not the fault of third party programs, as the Palm was designed to allow third party programs. The fault is Palm's for alotting only 4 mb for the dbCache. Had there been 10 mb or more, many users would never fill that up (in day to day use) and would never experience the lag.
Hope that helps.
Jimmie Geddes
11-13-2005, 12:39 AM
Thats what I figured it was, kinda like the LifeDrive. After a hard reset with no 3rd party apps blazer opens immediately.
Jimmie Geddes
11-13-2005, 12:41 AM
I deleted e2 internal drive, and reset my TX. Same lag.
Jimmie Geddes
11-13-2005, 12:48 AM
If only there was a way to lock it into cache, like sharkcache does.
btaryag
11-13-2005, 12:56 AM
Yeah, locking it would be great. But I'm not convinced that would be the perfect solution, as that may leave very little space in the dbCache, and may cause a slight lag evertime I open a program. I guess it depends if a small lag very often is better than a big lag every time I use blazer. The best solution would be to have blazer only clear out what it needs to work.
If only I knew how to write a program.....
Cyker
11-13-2005, 05:24 AM
I have blazers cache set to clear on exit.
How about diabling it completely/setting it to zero?
Jimmie Geddes
11-13-2005, 11:55 AM
there is no way that I can see in blazer,preference, advanced to set the cach to anything. The only options you get are cookies(clear cookies) cache (clear cache) then a check box to clear cache on exit. I don't see a way to manually set it to anything.
btaryag,
You claim that the TX has 4mb of DbCache. That may be true, but when I was playing around with RescoExplorer, I discovered some interesting/inconsistent information reported about the TX ram. From RescoExplorer's menus, under Tools -> RAM Info... I saw the following information:
Available free space(K):
Dynamic: 4558/6144
Storage: 78328/117632
DbCache 9139K
I then took a look at the information available from TCPMP's About menu. It said the following:
Storage heap: 78316KB (8488KB)
Dynamic heap: 3671KB
I then went back to RescoExplorer and this is what the RAM Info... said this time:
Available free space(K):
Dynamic: 4560/6144
Storage: 78312/117632
DbCache 8488K
I am inclined to believe that the DbCache value reported by RescoExplorer is the same value reported within parentheses as part of the Storage heap value from TCPMP. I am guessing that the Dynamic values reported by RescoExplorer indicate that the dynamic heap is 4560K available out of a possible 6144K and that the Dynamic heap value reported by TCPMP is the same value. Of course, TCPMP is probably causing the dynamic heap to go down when it is run and that is why there is a difference of around 900K.
I'm curious as to whether others are seeing the same kind of numbers being reported.
msweet
11-22-2005, 01:42 PM
Any solutions to this yet?
I have figured by testing that I have a lag durring the start of blazer, only when I have wifi turned off and it is set up as primary connection, so when I turn it on it is quicker then ever ;)
riderbee
12-18-2005, 12:01 PM
The lag on Blazer is really annoying... I've waited more than 10 sec at one occasion.
A nice thing would be a popup windows that says that the dbcache is being cleared for example. Sometimes I wonder if the Palm is crashing or if it's doing some normal processing...
I have what seems to be the same lag in Versamail when I read some new mail. I select the message to read, the new window comes but without the message body. I sometimes wait more than 10 seconds to get it.
That's a big annoyance.
btaryag
12-18-2005, 04:55 PM
Yes I sometimes have that lag in Versamail also. I no longer worry about the Palm crashing when it waits for Blazer, as I got rid of all my problem apps and the ones I have now work fine. I haven't had a crash opening blazer in weeks. (I do get random crashes every now and then).
It is a big annoyance. I think we all have to make ourselved heard to Palm - for the sake of future modesl and maybe an update for the TX. Does anyone know where to send snailmail/email - that will be read by someone high up - not some cheap labor guy in who knows where?
jjesusfreak01
12-18-2005, 07:53 PM
Yes I sometimes have that lag in Versamail also. I no longer worry about the Palm crashing when it waits for Blazer, as I got rid of all my problem apps and the ones I have now work fine. I haven't had a crash opening blazer in weeks. (I do get random crashes every now and then).
It is a big annoyance. I think we all have to make ourselved heard to Palm - for the sake of future modesl and maybe an update for the TX. Does anyone know where to send snailmail/email - that will be read by someone high up - not some cheap labor guy in who knows where?
If you know the right forum members, you can get their home numbers...
btaryag
12-19-2005, 04:32 PM
There are forum members that work for Palm?
But if so I don't have to contact them, they will see these posts!
Rob_T
01-12-2006, 12:46 PM
Has anyone figured out a way to get around the Blazer lag when launching this browser?
jjesusfreak01
01-12-2006, 01:54 PM
There are forum members that work for Palm?
But if so I don't have to contact them, they will see these posts!
There are forum members who currently work for palm, but those arent the one I am referring to...
mshuffma97
01-13-2006, 02:51 PM
I don't have any such lag on my TX... Opens instantly.
You are indeed a lucky man. The typical lag when first opening Blazer on my TX is about 20 seconds. It's become a habit, now, for me to begin counting whenever I open Blazer. The range of opening times vary depending on whether Blazer has been opened before in the same "session." Some people also report variance depending on whether or not they have WiFi turned on and/or connected before they open Blazer. In my case, Blazer seems to open relatively quicker if I *don't* have WiFi on before I open it. Others have reported the exact opposite. Go figure.
Here are my *typical* opening delay ranges:
1. First time opening Blazer in "session:" 6 - 34 seconds.
2. Not the first time opening Blazer in "session:" 2 - 20 seconds.
If WiFi is on before opening Blazer, it seems to me like the delay tends towards the upper part of the range. None of this, of course, is predictable -- these are just "typical" examples.
I have installed Demitry G's MemUnfragment app, but I can't tell if it has made a difference or not.
(EDIT: I realize my post is in reply to a post on p. 1 and that the conversation has moved beyond this by now. Sorry if it seems out of place.)
Seems to me that for Blazer, MemUnfragment will actually slow it down, as it blocks Blazer from pre-caching when you boot. Using RLocker or SharkCache to lock Blazer in cache should speed it up, but then all your other programs will load really slow (or crash, or not load at all). Using DBCacheTool should actually slow things down, as everything has to be re-loaded into cache; also, if any code in cache hasn't had its lock flag set correctly, using DBCacheTool can result in an eventual crash.
chanhuff
05-06-2006, 06:39 PM
I have found a way to speed up the lag if you connect to the WiFi connection before you load Blazer it makes the lag much faster or no lag at all. I loaded like 10 big programs from card then connected to WiFi and loaded Blazer and it had no lag then other time there was a 4 sec lag.
Seems to me that for Blazer, MemUnfragment will actually slow it down, as it blocks Blazer from pre-caching when you boot. Using RLocker or SharkCache to lock Blazer in cache should speed it up, but then all your other programs will load really slow (or crash, or not load at all). Using DBCacheTool should actually slow things down, as everything has to be re-loaded into cache; also, if any code in cache hasn't had its lock flag set correctly, using DBCacheTool can result in an eventual crash.
Rlock will not speed up anything. It only locks a single record of each db....load time is the same Rlocked or not....the point here is more about how fragmented the dbcache and dynamic heap are, rather than how much is available in total afaik
;)
I have found a way to speed up the lag if you connect to the WiFi connection before you load Blazer it makes the lag much faster or no lag at all. I loaded like 10 big programs from card then connected to WiFi and loaded Blazer and it had no lag then other time there was a 4 sec lag.
no difference either way on my LD!!
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